Episode 3
The Most Incredible Coincidence: Texas Families Meet in Paris
🇺🇸✈️🇫🇷 The most incredible story of how we met: From East Texas to Paris!
In this episode of Passport Jane, I sit down with Carrie, an American photographer who's been living in Paris for almost 20 years. We share the extraordinary story of how we met and dive deep into the evolution of women through different life phases.
✨ What we discuss:
- Women's evolution: From reproductive years to financial stability to spiritual fulfillment
- Our surreal airplane meeting and discovering our family connections
- Life journeys: San Francisco, Paris, love, and reinvention
- Motherhood, career, and finding balance
- Reinventing yourself after 40 and embracing the unknown
- Travel, family traditions, and what's next in life
🎙️ Key Moments:
The incredible Texas connection - families living 15 miles apart
Carrie's "I'm never leaving" moment landing in Paris
Meeting Julian and the decision to stay for love
The challenges of forced reinvention vs. organic evolution
Why we both feel better than ever entering this new chapter
💫 Guest: Carrie Callaway
American photographer, Paris resident, mother of three, and fellow Texas connection
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Transcript
[Speaker 2] (0:00 - 0:56)
I'm thrilled to welcome my next Passport Jane podcast guest. Carrie is an accomplished photographer located in Paris, France. Carrie has a Master's of Arts in Communication and Media Studies from the American University in Paris and a Bachelor of Fine Arts in Film, Video, and Photographic Arts from San Francisco Art Institute.
ie has resided in Paris since:For me, that's that way. I think it's really, really internal. I'm kind of going back as well.
I'm going back to the person I was before I had children. Me too.
[Speaker 1] (0:57 - 1:01)
That's exactly what I'm doing and stumbling along the way.
[Speaker 2] (1:02 - 1:55)
I know. Well, it's interesting because my background was in something creative. I went to university for marketing and advertising and I loved advertising.
I really just didn't feel that I could make a career out of it because financially and I was raising the kids alone. I just felt that I needed to do something more financially stable at the time. I went into something that was maybe financially- Sales.
Yeah, sales. But now, I feel like, oh my gosh, I have that background in sales and real estate and all that, but now I'm able to now, I'm wanting to pursue a creative passion. Being back in front of the camera, writing, producing, and I would really love to write a book as well because that was something, even as a child, like I was 12, that I wanted to do and I knew it from then.
[Speaker 1] (1:55 - 2:09)
One of your strengths, for what little I know of you, is really about connecting with people and then maintaining those connections and then connecting more people to those connections. That's your strength, I think.
[Speaker 2] (2:09 - 2:09)
It is.
[Speaker 1] (2:10 - 2:19)
I know. I think global connections is my- Even just here in Paris and in the south of France and Agnes with Fragonard and then Nathalie Marcin and then now Viv, maybe.
[Speaker 2] (2:20 - 2:20)
I know.
[Speaker 1] (2:20 - 2:30)
It's amazing. This woman you met in the store. You're really good.
More importantly, you're sincere and you follow up. That's really important, especially in Europe.
[Speaker 2] (2:31 - 2:31)
Yeah.
[Speaker 1] (2:31 - 2:37)
I don't know in the U.S. anymore, but I think also in the U.S., it's probably universal. That's your strength.
[Speaker 2] (2:38 - 2:48)
Yeah. I know. It's these magical meetings, but I'm so inspired.
That's what inspired me to do the podcast Passport Jane. I think you get it from your mother. It is.
[Speaker 1] (2:48 - 2:58)
When we had that special dinner down by the water in Port Légolère and your mother was there and the two of you. I was like, that's where she gets it.
[Speaker 2] (2:59 - 3:20)
My mom is just amazing because she is the most kind, intuitive, easy to sit with and she's creative too. I think growing up, people didn't see that side of her because she was being a mother. She was being a wife.
She was running. What's that role?
[Speaker 1] (3:20 - 3:26)
It's once again that role of being a mother and wife. It's kind of. It does.
[Speaker 2] (3:27 - 3:41)
Put a stick in your spoke. And dampen your creativity. Thank you for recognizing that about my mom because it means a lot because she deserves every bit of recognition for who I am and the person she created.
[Speaker 1] (3:41 - 4:02)
She's there now. You can feel she wears her skin so well and in her presence. You feel she's so comfortable and so at ease with her life and she knows who she is and she's lived her life and she's raised her children.
She's so grateful, it seems like, for everything.
[Speaker 2] (4:02 - 4:18)
Everything. Every moment. She is very much loved.
We have an interesting story of how we met. Do you remember how we met? I'm sure you do.
We talked about it yesterday.
[Speaker 1] (4:19 - 4:29)
I remember at the airport, the boys start playing with their Legos. I met your husband and I met his mother or your mother?
[Speaker 2] (4:29 - 4:30)
His mother.
[Speaker 1] (4:31 - 5:15)
And so we start talking and I guess Texas came up very quickly and then that was that. We get on the plane and they're sitting in front of us, I think, and the boys start interacting. They said they were coming to Paris and we talked about playdates and then next thing I know, I'm getting a phone call at Texas.
It's from Jane and from you. And we decided to come up to our place and then go to the Cartier Foundation. We walked up to the Cartier Foundation and showed the boys.
I think it's obviously the East Texas connection that kept us going and the boys.
[Speaker 2] (5:16 - 8:38)
I had flew to Paris ahead of Chip and Beck and I think Beck was about 10. I think they were several years ago. Mom and I had flew ahead and Beck and Chip and my mother-in-law were going to come over and we were going to go on a river cruise.
I guess the boys were playing and Beck always traveled with a backpack of toys. Everywhere we go, he has his notebook, he draws and art and his Legos and toys and all of that. My mother-in-law, and I can picture her right now, she had a little blue jacket on.
She always wears this little blue coat. After she was here a day or two, she opens a jacket with this little paper and she said, oh, Beck met a friend and the friend's mom gave me her number to do a playdate. I was thinking, oh my gosh, this is really random.
I was concerned about calling a French woman. She said, when you get back, I'm telling you, the boys really had a great time. You should call her.
We went on the river cruise, came back and I actually felt sorry for Beck because we were on the cruise with everybody over probably 60. I think I was the youngest person and then there was this one child. I thought, oh, this would be nice for him to actually play and have a little child activity in Paris.
I text you and you invited me to your house. Mom and I went and got flowers. My mom picked out all the flowers and she arranged them.
It was a really fun experience, but she didn't want to come with me because she was like, no, you need to go do that. When I got to your house, of course, I thought you were French. You quickly found out.
You opened the door and I was amazed because I had never been inside a Paris apartment that looked like a home instead of just like an apartment. You have a beautiful garden and you have art and you have the kitchen with the glass ceiling. It was just beautiful.
You invited me for coffee and I was hesitant because I didn't know you, but we started talking and realized you were American. Then you asked me where I was from and that was kind of crazy because I told you, you probably wouldn't know it was a small town in East Texas between Dallas and Houston. You said, well, my family is from a small town.
We got to talking and realized your family lived probably like 15 miles from where I was raised. Then we got to talking about your husband's family. The other 15 miles away.
The same road. My parents live in a really small town, less than 250 people. This road is like 10 minutes that way is where your husband's grandmother was born and then your family.
The Butlers and the Calloways. The Butlers and the Calloways. The Birds are in the middle.
You were telling me about your husband's and Julian's family and that his grandmother was an opera singer. I'm sitting there and I'm very confused because I wasn't sure if it was for real because I was like, this is crazy. Did she Google me?
I was like, this cannot be happening. Meeting the child on the plane. Mother-in-law giving the number.
[Speaker 1] (8:39 - 8:44)
Our families live near. Your husband's family. Very much six degrees of separation.
[Speaker 2] (8:45 - 8:55)
I'm texting my mom and I'm like, mom, what? You told me that there was a museum in West Texas that had her opera.
-:The Oedoxia opera dresses that I had to FedEx to this museum. And yeah, she was an opera singer from Rusk. She went to Southern Baptist University, became basically an opera singer.
She studied music, moved to Dallas, changed her name and then she'd married a few times and moved to Chicago. That's when she had my mother-in-law, Judy, and her brother kind of went to high society. You know, it was in high society.
I think she retired. She became a correspondent for one of the newspapers. It's I think it's a New York actually newspaper.
She traveled the world on a boat. That's amazing. Just radio and articles for this newspaper.
I have clippings of them. And yeah, and just went to Shanghai. She was just all over the world.
Cairo and just wrote these articles for this famous newspaper in New York City. And then she divorced her husband. And then she lived a little bit in Paris with her daughter and my mother-in-law and then she died and she's buried in Rusk.
] (:Which is, I mean, it's so crazy. I can't wait for people in my hometown that know me and that to hear this story. Because from Rusk, Texas to Paris, France.
] (:And her daughter, my mother-in-law, she sent her kids to boarding school in Switzerland, like some of the best boarding schools in Switzerland. Then they were at Ivy Leagues in the Northeast. And then my mother-in-law, Judy, met my father-in-law in Chicago.
After university. And then she moved to Paris to be his fiancée. And then they married and had Julian.
So Judy lived the rest of her life here in Paris. And she had also divorced a few times and married a few other men. As good American women can do.
] (:I heard she had an amazing life as well in media. She had an incredible life.
] (:She actually worked for UNESCO. So she worked for UNESCO. She made some films for UNESCO and for other agencies.
But UNESCO, she was in education. So they have many branches. So you have culture, education, preservation.
It's a huge agency here in Paris that is incredible. So she worked for UNESCO. And yeah, she was a huge adventurer.
More than her mother.
] (:Really?
] (:Yes. Wow.
] (:And your family, so you still have relatives in Dallas. Is that right?
] (:A lot of cousins in Dallas. And also East Texas. Yeah, there's still some in East Texas.
And in Tyler. Tyler, Texas. And yeah, and so we travel.
I mean, Julian and I have been to Texas many times. We've been to the cemetery where his mother is buried. And I have my grandmother's aunt or my grandmother's sister is buried there.
In the same cemetery.
] (:Yeah, we'll have to check on that. We'll have to see where our families are buried.
] (:It's kind of weird. And Julian's been to Tyler. He saw my grandparents.
They're home. Yeah, and of course, Dallas. And Julian has, most of his cousins are either in Houston or Dallas.
So we met them. And it's funny, but everybody's, you know, now it's more the uncles and aunts have all died. The younger cousins are just kind of busy and having their families.
So we don't really, we don't, we haven't been a long time, you know, like 10 years.
] (:So that leads me to how you ended up here. So I did not know your story of, you know, how you had the inspirations. I call it a wonderland.
] (:Well, I moved around as a child my whole life. So I was in Israel. I was in Florida.
I was in Connecticut. I went to so many different schools. My dad worked, you know, in construction, building power plants and shopping malls.
So the jobs were every few years. And we moved a lot. Then they divorced.
And so I was naturally already moving around a lot. I did live in Israel for like four years when I was really young. But the rest of the time, it was pretty much the U.S. And so that right there, I developed very good adaptation skills. Because when you're always the new kid in class, you know, Hi, everybody, this is Carrie. She's going to be joining us. There's your desk.
Sit down. You're like, hi, you know, in the lunchroom. Right.
And you have to go figure out quickly so you're not sitting alone at the lunch table. So that right there, I think, was huge. And then I was in San Francisco for about 10 years studying at the Art Institute, working in fine art, something I'd been doing.
s and early:So she had already met a Spanish man in San Francisco. She was working at a law firm. And they had to move kind of quickly to Spain because his father died.
He had to take over hotels and stuff like that. She was in Spain. So I was going to Spain, Barcelona and Ibiza a lot to visit them.
And I had already been traveling through Asia with friends and doing photography gigs. Not much in Europe, just Spain and a little bit of Paris. And so when I graduated from the Art Institute with a bachelor degree, I went directly to Spain to hang out with my sister.
I was in Ibiza. She had just had a baby or something. I was bored, so bored.
And some friends of mine were like, you have three options as a photographer, Paris, London or Milan. If you want to make it. I had an opportunity for an apartment in Paris.
So I jumped on. I was like, Natalie, I've got to go. Come hang out with you maybe another time.
I got on a plane and flew to Paris knowing I was going to rent this apartment for like three months, sublet it. And I got on the plane and I will never forget as I was landing, I was looking out the window and a thought popped into my head that said, I am never going to leave. Really?
Yeah. And I was like, where did that come from?
] (:Yeah.
] (:And you had been to Paris before, though.
] (:Yeah.
] (:Yeah. Always loved Paris. And so I touched down.
Went to the apartment, which was in Saint-Germain. Rue Jacob and Rue de Bussy. No, Rue de Bac.
No, Bussy. No, Rue de Saint and Rue Jacob on the corner there, a beautiful little studio. And I hit the ground running.
So I was calling, cold calling. This was, you know, back before we had smartphones. It was flip phones at the time.
2005. Yes.
] (:Were you using a phone book?
] (:Internet. OK. I'd go to internet cafes and download.
So I was looking for agents. Photographers. Any contacts.
And they were shocked. That you called. Yeah.
I was like, Party Poo hungry? Did you speak French? I just arrived and I need work and I'm this and this and this.
And they were all they were like, I want to meet you. They all agreed to meet me. Like they even if they didn't have work, they wanted to see.
And they all were like, we've never had any. They said usually it's the reverse. It's the Europeans that are going to.
They were like, no, Americans are coming over here, calling us. And they all were like, we'd love to work with you, but we can't pay you because you're illegal, basically. And you don't have it.
And I and eventually I met this man, Gilles Coderre, who has a company called APRES. It's it's high end video for the top, top artists of the world here in France. OK, and Gilles Coderre.
And I met him the first week and I started working for him. And he it was just he opened me up to this world of high end art like I had never met. We were going to parties, vernissages.
I was video like this. His friends were just blew me away. We're still friends to this day.
And so there was that and a lot of it I was doing for free because I had saved up money, credit cards, you know, and I had a little little pot I was living off of. And I knew I was going to go back. You know, I was like, OK, I've got to go back in three months.
So it was the best summer of my life. OK, the first week I met Julian at this beautiful French bar. I was out with a couple of friends.
He was at a table next to me. We met down in the bathrooms. He said something in French to me.
I was like, I don't speak French. And then he said in a beautiful American male accent, you are the best looking thing I've seen in a long time.
] (:And I was like, here's my number.
] (:It was the American accent. I was just, you know, I was missing, I think, the US and stuff. So we he called me a few weeks later and came and picked me up.
And we have been together basically ever since. I mean, we dated and explored and we were together ever since. And and I kept working for Gilles.
Then I went back to San Francisco. And then Julian said, look, come back. I was about 28 at the time.
And I think I was ready when I met Julian to, you know, start a family. Yeah, yeah. And and so I came back a few months later.
And definitely that was called rolling the dice, because that's when I met, you know, his mother and the Texas connection.
] (:And so I was going to ask you and he had media connections, you know, that you both had family in Texas. And well, that was when like less than 30 miles apart.
] (:Well, that was when I the first summer I was there. Yeah, because he he was like, you have to meet my mom. So I went immediately to go meet his mom.
And and that's when she she was kind of blown away. And I think she was looking for someone probably for her son. That was like her mother.
So she liked you.
] (:Yeah, immediately. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
It's amazing. That's a that's such a good.
] (:I think it reminded I reminded her of herself. Yeah. So making that leap and coming to the US and coming back from the US to here for love and just wanting to create that European story, that French fantasy with.
But I had, you know, it was major that he was half American. I mean, she went for the full on French, which is can be difficult. But yeah, good.
You know, good family. Yeah, very good family. So that helps.
That helps. Yeah.
] (:So you have your master's that you got.
] (:I got my master's. Yeah, I came here and I had I after I had my first child, it was my mother. You've got to go get your master's encouraged me for work and just to get back on track.
Yeah, because I started just raising, you know, my son. And so I went to go get my master's in global communications at AUP, American University of Paris. I met a lot of people.
And then that got me a job quickly with France fan cats doing a cultural show and producing. And and then so I stopped doing photography. I stopped working with you.
I stopped working in like fine art, which is what I was doing in San Francisco. I was doing commercial and fine art photography, both. And I worked to France count for just like eight months.
It was very brief. I loved it. I was very happy.
I was very fulfilled. But then I had my second child and and I just realized, like, frankly, the pay is so low. Oh, my gosh.
It was too low. I was paying my babysitters more than my, you know, my babysitter would call me and say, oh, he's taking his first steps. And I was like, I can't do this anymore.
And also, I was my ego was challenged because I was, you know, we were interviewing all these incredible artists. And I was just like, wait, I'm like, I feel like I should be the artist behind. You know, there's a combination of things.
Yeah. And so I definitely threw in the towel and, you know, went back into the home. And then I had even a third child and then started helping my husband with real estate projects and just raising the boys in Paris.
And and that's what I've been doing ever since. And now I've opened up my photo studio again, tried to work for a couple of years, just doing like headshots and a little bit of fine art. And and and now I'm going back, back, back.
Now that I have more time, the boys, you know, one is off to college. The two are now in middle school and high school. So I have more time and I'm going back to black and white photography and printing in a dark room.
And I do that a couple of days a week. And I'm still helping Julian with his real estate, like offices and things like that. And I don't know, I'm I'm I'm pretty happy my day to day life.
And we'll see where.
] (:And you still love to travel. So travel a lot. Where are some of your favorite places?
] (:I we had such a great trip to Egypt. It was a little bit after covid. So there were a lot of tourists who were not there.
Normally, it's just tons and tons of tourists. Egypt was incredible. The Nile.
There's a town at the very top of the Nile. So the opposite, you know, called Aswan that we want to go back and spend some time in. Luxor was incredible.
at they were doing. You know,:Italy is always just number one. Italy is just incredible. And it's so diverse.
Whichever city, whichever region you go to, it's just so diverse. And I'm discovering like a little part of it every year.
] (:We both have trips this year planned to like Como. Yes. I'm going in June or July.
] (:And I'm supposed to be going in first of September. Once the kids get back in school, I go with a girlfriend from California.
] (:Yeah. So we found that we have that in common this year that we've got that on our calendar. So I'm looking forward to that.
I haven't been to that area.
] (:Yeah.
] (:And so and then you also go to the south of France in the summer. Every summer. Every summer.
And you're the one that told me about the special little place. Port L'Aguilere. Yeah, that we've been going and that we've fallen in love with as well.
So tell me what's so special about that place for you.
] (:Okay. Well, first of all, I did not have a choice. Okay.
My mother-in-law has been going there for decades. Julian has been going there since he was a teenager. So she always had friends.
She had a friend, ex-boyfriend who had a place there. She always knew that's where she wanted to be. And she did the research.
She went to Corsica. She went to Saint-Tropez. She knows that area.
So we probably shouldn't broadcast it.
] (:Yeah.
] (:We don't want to tell you where it's at. I'm not going to tell you where it's at. So I did not have a choice.
And so she had an apartment down there, like a townhouse. Incredible views. And I understand why it's special.
The location, the access, everything it offers inside the complex. It's safe. Your kids can run around.
There's a club, a discotheque for the kids. So I don't have to say any more. You know all this.
So I didn't have a choice. And Julian, she's gone now. And the apartment is sold.
But he still insists we go down. So we go down, usually for two weeks, sometimes for only a week. And then after that, we go to the French family's home near Lyon.
So it's also kind of strategic. So we do that.
] (:Yeah, exactly.
] (:So there's that.
] (:I love that you have the family ritual of going to the beach every summer and then going to the family home.
] (:Right.
] (:And so I think that's very French too, like having this.
] (:Very. So yes. So everybody takes their vacation, which is usually around some beautiful body of water, Mediterranean.
And a lot of the French go to Greece. You know, a lot of them are actually more in Greece. Very few go to the south of France.
It's too crowded, too expensive. The food isn't as good as Greece. And in Greece, there's a lot more room.
There's more nature. So a lot of our friends are usually in Greece. And then, yeah, most French people then have their family obligations and homes.
So they go and they all gather before they head back to Paris for September. And so that's the tradition. And that's what you do.
] (:I know. Well, we love that. Now we have a tradition of going to the south of France.
It is a magical place. And I can imagine going as a child and then taking your own children there. And I'm hoping to introduce it to my children and grandchildren at some point.
So that's the plan. It's because, you know, I loved it. My mom loves it.
And it is a really special place. So, yeah. So what's next for you?
I know we talked about earlier today, we were talking about the evolution of, you know, women and from everything from, you know, meeting a mate and child raising and career. And then we're at a point in our lives where our kids are almost out of the nest in a couple of years. And we're starting to reinvent ourselves.
And so I guess let's talk about that a little bit, how you view your life and then where are you headed next? Or what do you think?
] (:Well, first of all, I don't know. I will say that. I really don't know.
I'm exploring. I am open. Um, I'm happy because I have a lot of people in the U.S., friends or my parents, start a business, start a business, you know, just get back into photography, get back into there. You know, it's just like, and I'm I'm kind of happy with the pace my life is at. Um, and, um, but I'm open. I am open.
And I honestly, I do not know. I don't know. So, yeah, well, I don't know either.
You know, people are always like, what are you going to do when you grow up? And I'm like, I don't know. I still.
Yes, I don't know. I'm prepared to do anything. I believe in instincts.
I believe in, you know, destiny. So as soon as it hits my plate and I know and I usually just take off and go in that direction and get going. But, um, but I will, you know, I'll let you know.
And maybe I don't know. Maybe there's a collaboration. Maybe you and I will start something.
Sky's the limit. I know it is. And I'm prepared for that.
It is. And I'm ready for that.
] (:I feel better than I've felt in years, like going into this next chapter of my life. Right. It's so exciting.
And you hear women talk about it. And, you know, you're like, oh, like, what is that about? Like, it doesn't, you know, you think, oh, you know, but I understand now, like feeling good about yourself and feeling good about confidence and every your skills and you're you know, so I don't I don't want it to be forced.
] (:I don't want somebody else to kind of say, oh, you should do that, because I started down that road two years ago with photography. I'll get back at friends and parents. Oh, you really should.
You have talent. So I started going that road. But I'm just going to say this.
But what I didn't like was that Julian was like financially backing me with it. And it just didn't feel right. Like, I just didn't want to be kind of like creating a studio and and and and having that money put up for that.
And it just felt so empty.
] (:Yeah.
] (:And I wasn't creating anything interesting. And it just felt like this kind of, OK, you had to do it. Studios there, you know, taking up rent, taking up space, buying equipment, buying, you know, like money.
And then there was there was no inspiration. There was no passion. There was no real project.
There was no money coming in, really. There wasn't nearly as enough. There was no studio really being generating.
So it didn't work. So I know not to do that. I know not to force something and basically have, you know, money coming from somewhere else supporting it.
It just didn't feel right. So I don't know. Yeah.
] (:Well, I do know as well, sometimes you can't go back and do the same thing you've already done. I opened a business when I was really young and then I sold it. And then about 10 years later, I thought I'm going to reopen the same kind of business because I was good at it and it was a need.
And yes. And I had a new. And so I rented a space.
I redid the floors, furnished it. I got the inventory. You're like, build it and they will come.
I don't build it because they won't come. No, I worked there like three weeks and I was like, oh my gosh, I hate this. And so I called the landlord and I was like, do you want this business to take it over?
] (:I'm really sorry.
] (:And I know he was thinking, what are you doing? You spent all this time and money and like, I don't want to run this business. I did.
And you know what? He was so gracious because he also owned a similar business that he actually took over. He let me have the lease.
He took it over. But looking back, I know that people around me were like, what are you doing? But I could not do it.
I could not. It was, I had already closed that chapter. Exactly.
] (:Yes.
] (:So when those chapters closed.
] (:I had that lesson taught to me just a few months ago. So I packed up my studio. I know.
] (:Yeah. And I'm always looking at like, should I go to school or, you know, and I'm like, I don't need this anymore.
] (:I don't need that anymore.
] (:But I do think that I'm meeting so many women that are on a journey because that's what this podcast is about is women on a journey, extraordinary women and inspiring women on a journey. And it's definitely something that I think you have to go through that. What's that next thing?
But just trying things as well.
] (:Well, I like what you said yesterday. It helped me because the other options I was thinking about was a business. You know, I have people kind of saying, let's start a business.
Let's start something together. Very competent women here in Paris and in the U.S. I guess, you know, I guess they're thinking kind of import, export, you know, something wine, champagne, you know, just things like this. They're kind of like what's bridge the France and in the U.S. And I'm like, well, with Trump in office and all the terrorists, I don't think we're going to do so well. It sounds exciting and women and business and like I want to run a business. But I, you know, I kind of I don't want to either. I don't want to deal with the nuts and bolts of daily operations.
Yeah, all the in all the paperwork. Yeah, I know. I have paperwork and taxes.
And yeah, and it is a privilege to own your own business. And it is, I think, something you can pat yourself on the back.
] (:Yeah, I'm so proud of the business I've built. I'm also ready if you're bringing in creative for me.
] (:Yeah. And money is motivational for sure. I mean, but but but that was kind of also back then.
And yeah, and now I'm at a certain level of comfort. So I don't feel the drive to I'm not as driven anymore by money. And and so, yeah, I just don't know what's next.
] (:Yeah, well, that's the exciting part about life. That is the exciting part about life is knowing what's, you know, exploring and discovering and those next chapters. So I can't wait to see what the next chapter is.
And, you know, maybe our next chapter is just, you know, laying on the beach in Central Bay. You know, I don't I don't think I don't know. It's something really big.
Yeah, it's probably something really big. But I I'm just excited to be here. I'm so grateful for life and the fact that, you know, a lot of people have their life cut short and they don't have the opportunity for these next chapters.
And for me, making every day count and exploring and growing and getting to see the world is so important to me. And so, yeah, I'm just really grateful to be here. So maybe that's it.
Maybe that's it. Maybe that's the next chapter. Maybe it is exploring the world with Passport Jane.
Thank you, Carrie, for being here. Thank you for having me. Thank you for all you've done to and the introductions to people because we've made some fantastic friends in Paris and.
And continue to. Yes. And you cooked dinner for me this week and it was amazing.
So thank you for that.
] (:You're welcome.
