Episode 2
Designing Her Life in Paris: Nathalie Marsan’s French-Canadian Journey
Hi, it's Passport Jane recording live from Paris!
This episode is SO special because it features my dear friend Nathalie Marsan - and you're going to absolutely love our story of how we met. Picture this, I’m in the south of France expecting to meet a friend when I get a message that she unable to meet and gave me the number of her friend in the South of France... Nathalie.
But here’s the wild part, we ended up getting into club 55 yes, the club 55 without a reservation on my 50th birthday, talking directly to the owner and creating one of the most treasured memories.
Nathalie is a French-Canadian interior designer who studied at KLC School of Design in London and now splits her time between Paris and Montreal. She specializes in creating luxurious small spaces and has built an incredible real estate investment portfolio with her partner.
In this episode, you'll discover:
- How to design luxury in tiny Parisian apartments
- The 2025 design trends that matter: mocha tones, natural materials, and unexpected Memphis style pops
- Why light direction can make or break your Paris apartment hunt
- The economics of Paris real estate investing (spoiler alert: timing is everything)
- Where to find the best flea markets and design inspiration in Paris
- The hidden gem spa experience at La Mosquée de Paris that you NEED to try
This conversation reminds me why I started this podcast - to share stories of women living authentically, taking risks, and creating beautiful lives abroad. Nathalie's journey from HR to interior design, her move to Paris with young children, and her courage to completely reinvent herself is pure inspiration.
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Transcript
Hi, it's Passport Jane.
Speaker:I'm so excited you're here and to share
Speaker:in this podcast with me, recording live from
Speaker:Paris, France.
Speaker:It is an honor to spend this time
Speaker:with you.
Speaker:I'm so excited to share our love of
Speaker:travel, adventure, writing, interior design, art, architecture, real
Speaker:estate, and featuring women around the world who
Speaker:have made the leap of faith to live
Speaker:confidently in their dreams, whether pursuing moving or
Speaker:investing in another country or chasing their wildest
Speaker:desires to live authentically.
Speaker:These stories are here to inspire you and
Speaker:remind you of the power you have to
Speaker:change and live your most creative and joyful
Speaker:life.
Speaker:Settle in, buckle up.
Speaker:I can't wait to spend the next hour
Speaker:with you as we explore some of the
Speaker:most creative and inspiring stories of women on
Speaker:a journey.
Speaker:I'm so happy to welcome my friend and
Speaker:French-Canadian interior designer, Nathalie Marchand.
Speaker:Nathalie founded Marchand Interiors in 2013.
Speaker:After completing her degree for interior design at
Speaker:the KLC School of Design in London, Nathalie
Speaker:has lived in London, Montreal, and Paris.
Speaker:She is a member of the British Institute
Speaker:of Interior Design and the Female Design Council,
Speaker:a supportive female-driven network of trailblazers in
Speaker:interior design.
Speaker:Nathalie works between Paris and Montreal on amazing
Speaker:residential design projects.
Speaker:Nathalie and her partner are real estate investors
Speaker:in Paris, passionate about creating unique design in
Speaker:small spaces.
Speaker:Nathalie, welcome to the Passport Jane podcast, where
Speaker:we will highlight the most incredible women living
Speaker:creative lives abroad.
Speaker:You and I have a very interesting story
Speaker:about how we met in the south of
Speaker:France.
Speaker:Do you remember that afternoon?
Speaker:Nathalie, welcome to Passport Jane podcast, where we
Speaker:highlight the most incredible women on a journey.
Speaker:And I just wanted to talk about the
Speaker:interesting story of how we met.
Speaker:Do you remember that day?
Speaker:Of course I do.
Speaker:So, several years ago in the south of
Speaker:France, I was meeting a friend, and the
Speaker:day I arrived, I got a text that
Speaker:said she was in San Francisco and would
Speaker:not be attending.
Speaker:And she gave me your number and said,
Speaker:oh, this is my good friend Nathalie.
Speaker:Just message her and you will love her.
Speaker:And I was thinking, I do not know
Speaker:this woman.
Speaker:I, you know, I was like, I'm in
Speaker:the south of France.
Speaker:And then I messaged you and we decided
Speaker:to meet at the hotel.
Speaker:And we just clicked.
Speaker:Yes, you were in the lawn chair in
Speaker:your swimsuit.
Speaker:And we met.
Speaker:So what was your thoughts that day when
Speaker:we started talking and?
Speaker:Oh, well, I was really happy to see
Speaker:actually, you look like my friend.
Speaker:So I was like, well, you know, here
Speaker:she is.
Speaker:But um, no, it was, it was a
Speaker:lot of fun.
Speaker:And, and it was amazing week.
Speaker:I mean, we, we celebrate her birthday.
Speaker:Yes, my 50th birthday.
Speaker:Yes, we had lots of rosé.
Speaker:Yeah, we rented a boat, beautiful boat, beautiful
Speaker:boat, rented a boat for the day.
Speaker:And then we it was a family trip,
Speaker:which is fun, you know, with the kids
Speaker:and now we just bond and, and yeah,
Speaker:yeah, the pictures were there's some of my
Speaker:favorite.
Speaker:And I think not only did we take
Speaker:the risk and we, you know, we met
Speaker:and we, you know, got to know somebody
Speaker:we didn't know.
Speaker:But then we also get on this boat.
Speaker:And we decide we're going to try to
Speaker:have lunch at Club 55.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:With no reservation.
Speaker:With no reservation.
Speaker:And if anybody knows Club 55, you probably
Speaker:have to have a reservation a year in
Speaker:advance.
Speaker:And you probably have to know someone really
Speaker:well.
Speaker:They don't just let people walk up.
Speaker:Especially in the summer.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So this was in August, August 12.
Speaker:And it was my actual birthday.
Speaker:And we the, the men on the boat
Speaker:told us to go up by ourselves, because
Speaker:they thought we might have more luck as
Speaker:two women going to ask for a reservation.
Speaker:And you asked them for the reservation.
Speaker:And you told them that it was my
Speaker:birthday.
Speaker:And basically begged for you know, a table
Speaker:because it was my special birthday.
Speaker:And I remember that they were hesitant, but
Speaker:they went and got the owner.
Speaker:Do you remember that?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And they actually gave us a table.
Speaker:They thought it was for two people.
Speaker:And then we had a whole bunch of
Speaker:people.
Speaker:We had our partners and we had our
Speaker:children.
Speaker:And I think there were six or eight
Speaker:of us.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So then when they showed up, they were
Speaker:like, No, no, no, you can't sit at
Speaker:this table.
Speaker:There's too many people.
Speaker:And so you know, it was a little
Speaker:and they finally gave us this beautiful table.
Speaker:So that was the beginning of the journey
Speaker:of the true friendship.
Speaker:It was when we crashed club 55 birthday,
Speaker:but it was magical.
Speaker:And it was incredible, incredible meal and flowers
Speaker:and cake and music.
Speaker:And I remember afterwards, I swam back to
Speaker:the boat.
Speaker:And yes, that was that was it was
Speaker:a good memory.
Speaker:It was so.
Speaker:So since then, we have been to the
Speaker:south of France again.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:And we have met in Paris.
Speaker:Yeah, when I'm here.
Speaker:And I am so happy to get to
Speaker:know you because you also are a woman
Speaker:on a journey and living an adventurous life.
Speaker:And it started also at a pretty young
Speaker:age.
Speaker:And so I love that.
Speaker:I love meeting people that have an inspiring
Speaker:story.
Speaker:So tell me about your earliest memory of
Speaker:maybe traveling abroad.
Speaker:Oh, that was a long time ago.
Speaker:I was maybe 12.
Speaker:It started with in my family with my
Speaker:parents, we really traveled the world.
Speaker:I think it's a value that my father
Speaker:and my mom just give it to us
Speaker:at an early age.
Speaker:I think it's the curiosity.
Speaker:You have to be curious.
Speaker:You know, it's it's important to get to
Speaker:know yourself better and to understand the world.
Speaker:And so it started like that.
Speaker:And then I think it's just it's it's
Speaker:people I met it's I don't know, you
Speaker:know, sometimes you cannot trace your future, it
Speaker:just happened and you take the opportunity when
Speaker:it comes.
Speaker:So I don't know, you know, I never
Speaker:thought I'll be today with you.
Speaker:But you know, it's the people you meet.
Speaker:And there you go, you're tracing your your
Speaker:life and your story, I guess.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So life is a story.
Speaker:You know, were you raised in Montreal?
Speaker:I was raised in Montreal.
Speaker:My, my, both my mom and my dad
Speaker:were from Montreal.
Speaker:And they were French Canadians.
Speaker:So I grew up in a French family.
Speaker:And but in my family, the culture of
Speaker:France was very there.
Speaker:Like I brought up listening some French music
Speaker:musician and, and literature.
Speaker:And, and I also grew up in the
Speaker:French country in Montreal, there's, there's a country
Speaker:where there's the DC process.
Speaker:So I grew up in that.
Speaker:And that really influenced the lifestyle.
Speaker:Yeah, that I grew up with.
Speaker:So what age were you when you decided
Speaker:to move to London?
Speaker:And what propelled you to do that?
Speaker:I mean, I was not that young.
Speaker:I was about 30.
Speaker:Late 30.
Speaker:No, no, no, that's not true.
Speaker:No, I was.
Speaker:No, I'm not the beginning of my 30.
Speaker:I guess.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I moved to London.
Speaker:And then that was a long time ago,
Speaker:more than 20 years ago.
Speaker:And you know, I discovered her up and
Speaker:I just, you know, I just stay and
Speaker:then I moved from Montreal by back and
Speaker:forth.
Speaker:So you went to university for one thing.
Speaker:Yeah, I went to I went to a
Speaker:business school in Montreal, and in human resources.
Speaker:And I worked in that field for, you
Speaker:know, some years.
Speaker:And, and then I married this French man,
Speaker:and we moved to Paris in 2010.
Speaker:And, and I decided to stay at home
Speaker:for a few years, you know, I had
Speaker:young children, two and four.
Speaker:And, and, I mean, I just fell in
Speaker:love with Paris.
Speaker:I mean, it just not at the beginning,
Speaker:at the beginning was hard.
Speaker:You know, the first year, I just wanted
Speaker:to go back to Montreal.
Speaker:I was like, this is not for me.
Speaker:You know, it was two different code, two
Speaker:different mentality.
Speaker:Everything was so different that I was a
Speaker:little bit lost.
Speaker:And I didn't have my repaire, you know,
Speaker:I was, but to get an anchor, it
Speaker:took me some years, it just didn't just
Speaker:arrive like that.
Speaker:I mean, it takes time in life, you
Speaker:know, to get anchor to get, you know,
Speaker:to have some attachment to a place.
Speaker:But because I think I have really young
Speaker:kids, the attachment came with time.
Speaker:And so I, so yeah, so I, and
Speaker:then I decided, okay, maybe I wanted to
Speaker:change path, change career.
Speaker:And this is, this is what I did.
Speaker:You know, I asked my husband at the
Speaker:time, I said, can I become a decorator
Speaker:or interior designer?
Speaker:And he was like, what?
Speaker:And I was like, well, you know, why
Speaker:not?
Speaker:You know, I could maybe go back to
Speaker:school and be a mom.
Speaker:And I think it will be interesting.
Speaker:I said, well, if this is what you
Speaker:want to do, just do it.
Speaker:So I find a school in London, and
Speaker:I just started like that.
Speaker:So I know we were talking last night
Speaker:about what inspired you in Paris.
Speaker:And can you talk about that journey of
Speaker:how you went from HR to realizing that
Speaker:you had an interest in design?
Speaker:Well, I think that staying at home, you
Speaker:know, is a lot of my apartment.
Speaker:And I think that Paris is a very,
Speaker:very old city.
Speaker:Well, Europe, you know, it's very, it's like
Speaker:the old world.
Speaker:And I just, it's something that appealed to
Speaker:me.
Speaker:I don't have a specific answer to that.
Speaker:It's just, it's just something that I felt,
Speaker:you know, and I always believe that I
Speaker:have to, to follow my heart, to follow
Speaker:my feeling, to follow my instinct.
Speaker:Because that's really important to do that, you
Speaker:know, have like a sixth sense, I think.
Speaker:And I did it.
Speaker:And I never regretted it.
Speaker:Never.
Speaker:I cannot see myself working in an office.
Speaker:And it doesn't, I think I have a
Speaker:creative size, creative size in me.
Speaker:And I think that I need a certain
Speaker:liberty of what I do.
Speaker:And I think that it's also a sense
Speaker:of who I am, and some sense of
Speaker:value.
Speaker:Because I have lots of friends of people
Speaker:who are very work addict, like they were
Speaker:work, and they want to be in an
Speaker:office.
Speaker:And this is great for them.
Speaker:I admire them.
Speaker:And I tried, I work in a bank.
Speaker:And my body just collapse.
Speaker:It's not for me.
Speaker:So I just follow and there is the
Speaker:way I am.
Speaker:No, I, that's a very good question.
Speaker:It's something I felt the beauty of the
Speaker:architecture and all the little shops and the
Speaker:artists, artisans.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:So I've had the privilege of looking at
Speaker:one of your apartments that you've designed.
Speaker:And something that I took away from that
Speaker:is it was functional, but it was also
Speaker:aesthetically beautiful.
Speaker:But you really specialize in designing small spaces.
Speaker:Well, what a big living?
Speaker:Yeah, well, what happened is, so in 2010,
Speaker:when we moved to Paris, so I decided
Speaker:to go back to school, but there's also
Speaker:the economic situation was that the interest rate
Speaker:at that time was really, really low.
Speaker:It was like you can you can borrow
Speaker:money for like 1% for like for
Speaker:life.
Speaker:So it was really a market of buyer.
Speaker:And we saw my husband and I at
Speaker:a time we sign opportunity.
Speaker:We said this is a good business to
Speaker:be in.
Speaker:We just saw it.
Speaker:And so we just did it.
Speaker:We just started to buy and buy we
Speaker:started with residential.
Speaker:And then we and then we follow with
Speaker:commercial.
Speaker:So that's what we did.
Speaker:I mean, we I'm sure that if we
Speaker:have moved now in 2025 or 2025, we
Speaker:will be able to build a business as
Speaker:we did in 2010.
Speaker:It was really the economic market that was
Speaker:in our favor.
Speaker:So we saw a niche and we saw
Speaker:an opportunity and we just went for it.
Speaker:And then what happened is so in 2019,
Speaker:we've moved back to Montreal and we have
Speaker:all of those real estates in Paris.
Speaker:And, you know, in real estates in France,
Speaker:law change, okay, and it was a new
Speaker:law regarding energy.
Speaker:And I realized that I have to redone
Speaker:them, like because of the energy, like, we
Speaker:have to be more energy efficient.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, so I had to go back a
Speaker:lot to do some renovation.
Speaker:So this is why I was back and
Speaker:forth a lot.
Speaker:It's just to, to make my company healthier.
Speaker:And so, so I think I specialize maybe
Speaker:in small spaces, but it was because of
Speaker:the new law, not because I wanted to,
Speaker:you know, but it is a challenge to,
Speaker:to do small spaces.
Speaker:And it is, I think I find sometimes
Speaker:even more interesting to do big spaces than,
Speaker:than I think, because it's, it's, it's, you
Speaker:have to put everything like a home in
Speaker:a, in a very small spaces.
Speaker:And I think that's very interesting because you
Speaker:have to be really creative to do that.
Speaker:So I love that.
Speaker:And, and your designs are very luxurious as
Speaker:well.
Speaker:Like, yeah, beautiful.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:Tile.
Speaker:And I know the one apartment that I've
Speaker:been to has the full bathtub.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And the, I love your TV with the
Speaker:frame and the artwork.
Speaker:And my, one of my favorite moments with
Speaker:you, we went to a flea market and
Speaker:we were shopping and you were looking for
Speaker:plates.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Because you wanted, although you had plates, you
Speaker:wanted, you had functional plates, but you wanted
Speaker:something beautiful that fit the space.
Speaker:And you, you bought plates.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I bought a piece of art.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:I remember that.
Speaker:You still have it?
Speaker:I do.
Speaker:And I love it.
Speaker:Oh my gosh.
Speaker:I love it.
Speaker:It is perfect.
Speaker:I will have to send you a picture
Speaker:of where it's at in my house.
Speaker:I will love that.
Speaker:And, but there's something about me is that
Speaker:I always knew what I wanted.
Speaker:Like it doesn't take me hours and hours
Speaker:and hours.
Speaker:I just know.
Speaker:I just know.
Speaker:And I don't know why I know.
Speaker:I just know.
Speaker:And, and it goes pretty fast.
Speaker:You know, we were both on a mission
Speaker:that day because I was looking for, I
Speaker:love art and old pieces of art.
Speaker:I also love dishes as well.
Speaker:And we were both on a mission.
Speaker:We separated because you were like, I'm going
Speaker:for the dish.
Speaker:You know, I'm looking for the art and
Speaker:I was going through every picture and frame
Speaker:and everything I could find.
Speaker:And I also was being very conscious of
Speaker:what I could get in my suitcase.
Speaker:And so in my head, I was like,
Speaker:okay, the measurements have to fit this way.
Speaker:I tell my husband every single time I
Speaker:come to Paris, I'm like, I'm going to
Speaker:have to get a crate.
Speaker:I need to, because I want to go
Speaker:shopping.
Speaker:I love the flea markets.
Speaker:But this was a street flea, which is
Speaker:kind of interesting.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:There's so many, there's a calendar that you,
Speaker:you can follow in Paris and you know,
Speaker:all the flea market in town.
Speaker:And I could spend my Sunday every Sunday
Speaker:there.
Speaker:I know.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:We should do that this week.
Speaker:We should do that.
Speaker:We should.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That's one of my favorite moments, but I
Speaker:loved that you had the design and it
Speaker:was, and it was finished, your apartment, but
Speaker:you still had this little touch that you
Speaker:wanted to make with.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I think it's very important to have that
Speaker:little touch, as you say, because it's create,
Speaker:it's making more personal and you feel always
Speaker:more homey when you have something that is,
Speaker:is secondhand or from a family home or
Speaker:something very personal.
Speaker:Like at my house in Montreal, I've got,
Speaker:sometimes I could have some drawing of my
Speaker:children.
Speaker:I will put in frame, you know, even
Speaker:if it, when they were young, I will
Speaker:put in like in my laundry room.
Speaker:So to make it more alive to, you
Speaker:know, yeah, I think it's important.
Speaker:So I know we talked about some of
Speaker:the design trends because I wanted to know
Speaker:what's happening in 2025.
Speaker:And so I would love to hear what
Speaker:your thoughts are on design trends for 2025.
Speaker:And yeah.
Speaker:And some of your thoughts on design.
Speaker:Well, for 2025, we're going back to the
Speaker:heart tones, like natural tones and the color
Speaker:of the year is mocha, mocha beige or
Speaker:mocha mousse.
Speaker:You can name it different ways, but it's
Speaker:like a certain beige.
Speaker:And so we're going back to authenticity, maybe.
Speaker:And I just put my, my glasses are
Speaker:right there.
Speaker:No, but it's just, okay.
Speaker:So we have here, we have, we also
Speaker:have some, so natural material with earth tones
Speaker:is, is very, so it's something very timeless,
Speaker:you know, and it's great because it's smart,
Speaker:it's going to age beautifully, and it's a
Speaker:long investment for your home.
Speaker:So this is all about creating well-being
Speaker:and serenity in your house.
Speaker:And, and also what you will find this
Speaker:year in 2025, it's breaking nature into your
Speaker:design.
Speaker:So there's a lot of pattern with flowers,
Speaker:with leaves, you will also find organic design,
Speaker:like with natural forms.
Speaker:For authenticity, you will also find some ethnic
Speaker:design, you know, and to bring a certain
Speaker:form of modernity, you will have texture of
Speaker:marble, concrete, metal, you know, lots of table,
Speaker:small table or dining table, marble is still
Speaker:on, it's still there.
Speaker:But which is very interesting, is that actually,
Speaker:with all of that, you have, have you
Speaker:know, if you ever heard about the Memphis
Speaker:style is from Italy?
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Memphis style, it was an, is an aesthetic
Speaker:from 1980.
Speaker:And it was created in Italy.
Speaker:And it's characteristic by forms and line and
Speaker:we're really bright colors.
Speaker:Well, that is back.
Speaker:Really?
Speaker:And you will see it in fashion also,
Speaker:because like, there's a lot of rose and
Speaker:pink or orange, really bright colors.
Speaker:So you can still mixed, you know, have
Speaker:a home with like, a very neutral palette,
Speaker:you know, linen and heart, and then you
Speaker:will have like a bright cushion or some
Speaker:geometrical form.
Speaker:So you can mix different style.
Speaker:And this is also in train in 2025.
Speaker:So I have a few addresses that I
Speaker:can.
Speaker:Oh, yes, we can drop in the bottom
Speaker:of the podcast, some of your favorite stores.
Speaker:So I love walking around Paris.
Speaker:Yeah, there are so many design studios.
Speaker:And from bathroom showrooms, kitchen, there's so many
Speaker:kitchen showrooms.
Speaker:And we're going to talk about carpet in
Speaker:a minute, because I think in the US,
Speaker:we don't pay as much attention to rugs
Speaker:and carpet.
Speaker:I mean, you know, we do buy rugs
Speaker:and carpet, but here, it's very custom.
Speaker:And you can walk by a showroom window
Speaker:and see rolls and rolls of just the
Speaker:most interesting designs and carpet.
Speaker:And I noticed myself and actually took a
Speaker:few pictures of carpet this week.
Speaker:And wallpaper.
Speaker:Oh my gosh, there's wallpaper studios.
Speaker:And, and then so there's just a lot.
Speaker:And so I know before I redesigned my
Speaker:last redesign of a bathroom, I came to
Speaker:Paris to look for tile, because I wanted
Speaker:to see what the trends were coming.
Speaker:Sometimes I think in the US we're a
Speaker:little behind maybe six months to a year
Speaker:in hitting the market.
Speaker:And so I looked and looked, I spent
Speaker:hours in the bottom of a basement, because
Speaker:the tile store had a beautiful showroom, but
Speaker:then below was where they had all their
Speaker:tile samples.
Speaker:And so I went downstairs, and I just
Speaker:like went through tile after tile, and then,
Speaker:you know, took pictures, and, you know, just
Speaker:got inspired.
Speaker:So I love that about Paris and the
Speaker:lighting as well.
Speaker:Oh, wow, the lighting showrooms.
Speaker:So yeah.
Speaker:So are there any favorite streets that you
Speaker:like to go?
Speaker:Like, so this week was a deco off,
Speaker:you know, so I went, I went to
Speaker:see a little showrooms.
Speaker:And it's, it was really, I was in
Speaker:wow, with so many showrooms that I saw.
Speaker:But so yeah, it's, it's, it's always in
Speaker:January, every, every year you have that week.
Speaker:And you can see the trends, you can
Speaker:see whatever it's, it's, it was, it was
Speaker:really nice.
Speaker:But um, but so there's, so I have
Speaker:a friend, actually, he went to Maison et
Speaker:Objet.
Speaker:And I didn't go this year, but she
Speaker:went this year.
Speaker:And she told me about all of her
Speaker:what she find.
Speaker:And so we're talking about that.
Speaker:She's a great friend of mine, who she's
Speaker:a designer also.
Speaker:And she told me about this designer called
Speaker:Margot Keller, Margot Keller.
Speaker:And I went, can we cut for one
Speaker:second?
Speaker:I need a Kleenex.
Speaker:Sorry.
Speaker:I was like, I hope you can't tell
Speaker:on the camera.
Speaker:You're doing so good.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Sorry.
Speaker:Okay, go back.
Speaker:You did great.
Speaker:No, it's amazing.
Speaker:Maybe.
Speaker:Okay, so what I will do, I will
Speaker:talk about the carpet, the Maison Vacances, three
Speaker:things.
Speaker:And then I will finish with the coat.
Speaker:And that's it.
Speaker:And then we, if we have more questions.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Oh, we still have time.
Speaker:Yeah, we will talk a little bit more
Speaker:about like, favorite restaurants.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:We'll talk more about like little, yes.
Speaker:Personal thing.
Speaker:You're a
Speaker:real
Speaker:businesswoman.
Speaker:That's what I said.
Speaker:She, she knows.
Speaker:Okay, let's continue.
Speaker:So I'm gonna, I'm gonna finish this.
Speaker:So do you want, do you want to
Speaker:ask, do you want to ask the question?
Speaker:And then, or I just go?
Speaker:What was the question?
Speaker:No, I'm just going to go.
Speaker:So Okay, so
Speaker:there's, there's a very great designer and her
Speaker:name is Margot Keller.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:She's, she's very interesting because she thinks that
Speaker:the design, she really see, she thinks that
Speaker:the, okay.
Speaker:Her name is Margot Keller.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Margot Keller, she's a, she's a very interesting
Speaker:designer because she thinks when she thinks about
Speaker:the conceptualization of the space, she sees like
Speaker:a third dimension and the third dimension of,
Speaker:for her, it's emotion.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So when she created object and furniture and
Speaker:whatever, she's very poetic and sensitive about what
Speaker:she creates.
Speaker:And this year, so I went to her
Speaker:website and so she designed a collection of
Speaker:carpet and you can really see the trend
Speaker:of 2025 in her collection because there's carpet
Speaker:with stripes and with flowers.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I mean, this is something else also, when
Speaker:I talk about the trend, you will see
Speaker:a lot of organic, but you will see
Speaker:like furniture, like canopy or sofa with flowers
Speaker:on it, big patterns of leaves that, that
Speaker:is the trend.
Speaker:But so you will see in her collection,
Speaker:in our carpet, you will see the trend.
Speaker:But also, and you will see not, not
Speaker:that she's from you, you will see also
Speaker:like some bright colors.
Speaker:And that's what I told you about the
Speaker:Murphys, you know, style, like bright colors is
Speaker:coming back too.
Speaker:So this is a, you know, you have
Speaker:to follow her, Margot Keller, she's great.
Speaker:And for the American that doesn't know that,
Speaker:that website or that place is called Maison
Speaker:de Vacances.
Speaker:It's really big in France, so I'm sure
Speaker:you're going to put all the links.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And there's a catalog called Smart and Boho
Speaker:2025.
Speaker:So in the catalog of this year, you
Speaker:will also see all of the trends.
Speaker:You'll see like the mocha color is back,
Speaker:natural textile, her tones, you will see print
Speaker:pattern of print flowers everywhere.
Speaker:So this is another great place to shop.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And also for carpet is Hidaho edition, hidahoedition
Speaker:.com.
Speaker:Anyway, you'll, so this year, there's a carpet
Speaker:called Bamako.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And on that carpet, it's a indoor and
Speaker:outdoor carpet.
Speaker:It's made of 75% of polypropylene and
Speaker:25, 26% of polyester.
Speaker:So it's a great material to be outside
Speaker:and inside.
Speaker:And that carpet, there's a lot of leaves
Speaker:and it's green and it's kind of very
Speaker:beautiful.
Speaker:And there's another one, which is Avano.
Speaker:And that's the other trend.
Speaker:It's like stripes and heart tones.
Speaker:So you'll see the trend.
Speaker:It's pretty, it's pretty there.
Speaker:You'll see it, you know.
Speaker:So, but I want to, even though if
Speaker:there's trends and every year we talk about
Speaker:trends, I, there's, there's a, there's an American
Speaker:designer called Nate Berkus.
Speaker:He's pretty famous.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Nate Berkus.
Speaker:And he said something that, that is, this
Speaker:is, this is how I feel about trends.
Speaker:And I will, I will, I will read
Speaker:it to you.
Speaker:He said, I believe your home tells a
Speaker:story about who you are and who you
Speaker:aspire to be.
Speaker:We represent ourselves through the things we own.
Speaker:I don't believe in trends.
Speaker:I believe in collecting things that you connect
Speaker:with.
Speaker:We should surround ourselves with things we care
Speaker:about that have meanings.
Speaker:And I saw in, I saw in a
Speaker:line of what he says, because trend is
Speaker:good, but, but trends is also about personal
Speaker:touches.
Speaker:It's about, you know, you go on holiday
Speaker:and you buy a status and you go
Speaker:on holiday and you buy a set or
Speaker:you buy a carpet, you go to Morocco,
Speaker:you find a carpet that you love.
Speaker:It's not in trends, but you love it.
Speaker:So, so, so also, you know, it's good
Speaker:to follow the trends, but I think I
Speaker:don't myself really believe in trends because you,
Speaker:it has to be personal, you know, and
Speaker:this is, this is what I said about
Speaker:my, the studio or what I do or
Speaker:my home that I do is that there's,
Speaker:it's so important that it represent who you
Speaker:are as a person, because it really define
Speaker:your personality and that it's not related to
Speaker:trend, you know, it's related to your story
Speaker:and you have to, a home or studio
Speaker:or whatever has to, have an essence of
Speaker:who you are and you have, it's, it's
Speaker:about a story you tell.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I know.
Speaker:I love that.
Speaker:And you know me, I collect things.
Speaker:So, yes.
Speaker:And I think your home has to be
Speaker:a place that you love and I have,
Speaker:I don't know about you, but it has
Speaker:to be a sanctuary.
Speaker:It does.
Speaker:It has to be a sanctuary and it
Speaker:has to be a quiet place.
Speaker:And sometimes though, piece comes from collections or
Speaker:from something that makes you remind you of,
Speaker:especially travels.
Speaker:I know people who are like us with
Speaker:a wonder list that we have our pieces
Speaker:that remind us of places and things and
Speaker:flea markets and you know, all of that.
Speaker:So where are some of your favorite places
Speaker:in the world besides Paris?
Speaker:Cause I know you love Paris.
Speaker:We both, you come very often to work
Speaker:and design.
Speaker:My favorite places in the world?
Speaker:Well, my favorite places in the world, I
Speaker:think it's, it's pretty where I come from.
Speaker:I'm from Montreal, but I'm from Quebec, the
Speaker:province of Quebec.
Speaker:And we have the St. Laurent rivers.
Speaker:And I think that along that rivers, it's
Speaker:called a region called Charlevoix.
Speaker:And I think this is really, really beautiful
Speaker:because it's, I've been, I used to go
Speaker:there when I was a kid.
Speaker:And, and also, I think some beautiful places
Speaker:is something that I, some places I went
Speaker:when I was a kid with my family
Speaker:and then remind me some good souvenirs, you
Speaker:know?
Speaker:So this is in Quebec, but also in
Speaker:the United States.
Speaker:We used to drive to Maine, you know,
Speaker:Martha Stewart's have a house there, you know,
Speaker:it's beautiful.
Speaker:And I remember walking along the beaches and,
Speaker:and I think the, the nature is amazing
Speaker:over there.
Speaker:So I love that.
Speaker:Then I think the world is beautiful, you
Speaker:know, I, and also maybe another place that
Speaker:I remember that I used to go to
Speaker:Africa.
Speaker:I, I, I, I, I went to Africa
Speaker:one day and, and yeah, I remember some
Speaker:really beautiful, but it's, it's a hard question
Speaker:actually.
Speaker:It is a hard question because, you know,
Speaker:beauty for me is it can be in
Speaker:the moment.
Speaker:It can be everywhere.
Speaker:It can be just a flower you watch.
Speaker:So it's, there's not really a place, but
Speaker:there's a lot of moments, a lot of
Speaker:moments.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So I don't know if you're unsure.
Speaker:I don't know if I'm unsure well.
Speaker:No, it's perfect.
Speaker:And it describes you perfectly.
Speaker:I love your Instagram.
Speaker:And so one day we'll have a public
Speaker:one because it is your essence.
Speaker:You just post pictures of beautiful things and
Speaker:it's simplicity in beauty and simplicity in nature.
Speaker:And when I see it, I see your
Speaker:artistic eye because you take pictures of artistic
Speaker:things.
Speaker:And a lot of times it's something simple
Speaker:as a flower, a pumpkin, you know, a
Speaker:river.
Speaker:Sometimes it's something amazingly crazy, like a Chateau
Speaker:or Swiss Alps or some place that you're
Speaker:visiting, friends, things.
Speaker:But for the most part, I think of
Speaker:your Instagram as being a place of beauty
Speaker:and serenity.
Speaker:Thank you very much.
Speaker:But I'm about to actually think about a
Speaker:new, think about my company.
Speaker:I think about, I think I'm going to
Speaker:work in a new logo or a new,
Speaker:I have to redesign my website.
Speaker:And I think I might do a public
Speaker:Instagram, but I think it's on the way.
Speaker:You know, I didn't have a lot of
Speaker:time or I didn't, that was not my
Speaker:priority before, but there's a lot of projects
Speaker:I want to go in the coming month
Speaker:or year.
Speaker:So just watch out.
Speaker:Yes, I'm excited for you.
Speaker:So you're working on a new design right
Speaker:now here in Paris.
Speaker:Can you tell us a little bit about
Speaker:that project?
Speaker:Well, I decided to, well, we just always
Speaker:continue buying actually and renovating.
Speaker:And this is something that I love to
Speaker:do.
Speaker:And I don't know why I should stop,
Speaker:you know, I mean, why?
Speaker:So I just, yeah, I just find a
Speaker:little studio recently that I purchase.
Speaker:And yeah, so.
Speaker:So how is the studio going to be
Speaker:different from the last one design wise?
Speaker:I know that.
Speaker:Oh, it will be because it's so small.
Speaker:So I'm working with with someone now called
Speaker:Christina.
Speaker:And so she's an interior designer also.
Speaker:And Christina is actually in the studio with
Speaker:us today.
Speaker:She's sitting here watching, she speaks French.
Speaker:So Christina is from Italy.
Speaker:She's Italian.
Speaker:So she speaks very fluently Italian, French and
Speaker:Spanish because she used to live in Argentina.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So she speaks that three beautiful languages.
Speaker:I'm so jealous of her.
Speaker:I wish I could be her.
Speaker:But yeah, so she's here today.
Speaker:Christina, she's very creative, but also she does
Speaker:some technical plan and very well.
Speaker:So that's why we're good together because we
Speaker:complement each other.
Speaker:So what I discovered from your rehab that
Speaker:I watched, the measurements have to be so
Speaker:precise.
Speaker:Yeah, when it's very small.
Speaker:So that space is so small that it
Speaker:has to be like, oh my God.
Speaker:So it has to be beautiful, functional.
Speaker:It has to be like.
Speaker:Like, like, like custom-made, like super custom
Speaker:-made.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And so she's really, really good in that.
Speaker:She's really, she's got the eyes and she
Speaker:went to the Colboulle, which is a very
Speaker:prestigious school in Paris.
Speaker:So she's, she's got the, you know, and
Speaker:yeah.
Speaker:So I, I cannot tell you more about
Speaker:that project because it didn't really started yet.
Speaker:Do you have any ideas or is there
Speaker:any piece that you're like, I'm putting, like
Speaker:you already know you're going to put in
Speaker:that space?
Speaker:We're going to put everything.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:It has to fit everything.
Speaker:Even like everything has to be theirs.
Speaker:Huh?
Speaker:Like a boat.
Speaker:Like a boat.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Like a boat.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So it's going to be a challenge, a
Speaker:challenge.
Speaker:Do you have any colors or themes?
Speaker:No, we didn't talk about that.
Speaker:And no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker:But you'll see, you'll see.
Speaker:How long will it take to renovate typically
Speaker:a studio?
Speaker:I think it will take about three, three
Speaker:months.
Speaker:Usually it's about three months, but then you
Speaker:never know.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But then you never know, right?
Speaker:You cannot tell.
Speaker:I mean, it's, it's, uh, you never know
Speaker:because sometimes it depends of things that you
Speaker:can control, you know, people get sick, people,
Speaker:you know, sometimes out of stock.
Speaker:I mean, yeah, there can be a strike.
Speaker:They can be, you cannot control everything in
Speaker:life, but so you, so usually it's about,
Speaker:yeah, three months, but then I, I don't
Speaker:know.
Speaker:I'm not, I'm not, I'm, I'm just, I'm,
Speaker:you know, I'm pushy, like, but also I
Speaker:can get some loose.
Speaker:I, you know, I, I'm very flexible.
Speaker:Otherwise, if you're not like that in this,
Speaker:in this, um, in this field, you get
Speaker:stressed, uh, it's not for you because it's,
Speaker:there's always thing that is happening.
Speaker:There's always problem, but you know what?
Speaker:I love problems.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:I love problems because that makes it interesting,
Speaker:you know?
Speaker:So I know you mostly do your own
Speaker:residential projects, but you are working with Christina
Speaker:to branch out and maybe help with other
Speaker:people's renovations.
Speaker:Is that right?
Speaker:So they could reach out to you and,
Speaker:um, work with Christina if there's a project
Speaker:that, um, I know I have a lot
Speaker:of American friends who are looking for apartments
Speaker:in Paris and I, we actually looked at
Speaker:an apartment yesterday together and it was so
Speaker:great for you to go with me.
Speaker:So I highly recommend having someone like Natalie
Speaker:go with you because if you're looking for
Speaker:an apartment, because we walked in and you
Speaker:were able to see it right away, everything
Speaker:from the light.
Speaker:Then I was really critical.
Speaker:Oh my gosh.
Speaker:She won't buy it because of me.
Speaker:No, no.
Speaker:You know, it's so critical.
Speaker:I'm so particular and you, of course I'm
Speaker:in real estate, but it was, it was
Speaker:funny being on the other side as a
Speaker:buyer versus real estate agent, because I could
Speaker:see what the real estate agent was saying,
Speaker:but I also, you know, as a buyer,
Speaker:you want to buy something that you absolutely
Speaker:love or that you see the vision or
Speaker:you're really passionate about.
Speaker:But what I loved was that, you know,
Speaker:I, I knew how I felt about the
Speaker:apartment.
Speaker:It was my, you know, a wonderful street,
Speaker:fantastic location.
Speaker:The size was great.
Speaker:Yeah, the size was great.
Speaker:It had a lot of storage.
Speaker:It had a beautiful foyer.
Speaker:However, it didn't have some of the design
Speaker:functionality, you know, I want like old world
Speaker:and, you know, beautiful floors and lights and
Speaker:molding and it was more modern and missing.
Speaker:And, but you saw it from other things
Speaker:that I like light.
Speaker:Yeah, for me, for me, but this is
Speaker:something that is so important is the light.
Speaker:I mean, I cannot live in a place
Speaker:where there's no natural light.
Speaker:It's so important, but this is me.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, I'm going to say light for me
Speaker:is life.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I mean, I just need some light.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And in Paris, it's very, it's very important.
Speaker:And so there's certain buildings, there's certain the
Speaker:way the building faces, what the view is,
Speaker:how tall the buildings are around.
Speaker:So is there things to look for, to
Speaker:look for light?
Speaker:I mean, how do you, when you look
Speaker:for an apartment?
Speaker:Oh, it's the, well, it has to be
Speaker:south.
Speaker:I mean, it's, I will never buy an
Speaker:apartment, which is facing north, for example.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So where it is.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So the way it faces.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And then windows.
Speaker:So something about this apartment we looked at,
Speaker:the living area had big windows, but they
Speaker:faced the courtyard.
Speaker:So it was an interior view.
Speaker:And that you felt it was important that
Speaker:your living area where you're going to spend
Speaker:the most time actually faced outward, right?
Speaker:Well, face something, let's say interesting, like you
Speaker:don't want to face a wall, but then
Speaker:it depends of how you, it depends of
Speaker:so many factors.
Speaker:This is very personal, you know, it's very
Speaker:personal to any, so sometimes maybe you will
Speaker:face a wall, but there is no vis
Speaker:-a-vis, which is also can be interesting,
Speaker:you know?
Speaker:But the thing is there was, it wasn't
Speaker:just not a wall, it was some windows.
Speaker:So people could really see in and that,
Speaker:I don't like that, but you know, this
Speaker:is so personal.
Speaker:I mean, some people, they don't care.
Speaker:Well, I loved having your design eye because
Speaker:I know what I like.
Speaker:And I know, you know, when I see
Speaker:something, I know I can see the space
Speaker:and what I'm going to do with it.
Speaker:But having that, those details was also helpful.
Speaker:But yes, the real estate agent wasn't as
Speaker:happy with our observation.
Speaker:But the street, I mean, the area was
Speaker:incredible.
Speaker:I mean, the location was just unbelievable.
Speaker:So you have that too, the location, you
Speaker:know?
Speaker:And if you don't go that, if you
Speaker:just go there to Paris, like a month,
Speaker:a year, it's okay.
Speaker:It depends how you live, it depends how
Speaker:you use the space.
Speaker:And I think we talked about if it
Speaker:was a pure investment versus living there.
Speaker:And when you buy something as an investment,
Speaker:you want to, you know, you think about
Speaker:location, size, you know, what the rent would
Speaker:be and, you know, things like that and
Speaker:functionality.
Speaker:But when it's your personal home or when
Speaker:you're going to be there.
Speaker:You have to have a good care when
Speaker:it's your personal home, you do have.
Speaker:Otherwise it doesn't work.
Speaker:And this is so, again, very personal.
Speaker:You can have a good care, you can
Speaker:have it, another person won't have it.
Speaker:I mean, this is, this is something that
Speaker:is in your heart.
Speaker:You have to follow your heart.
Speaker:Yeah, you just know.
Speaker:Yeah, you just know.
Speaker:Yeah, you just know when you walk in.
Speaker:You just know.
Speaker:You're walking in, you know, you just, you
Speaker:should know.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And you can envision your life there.
Speaker:Or you can envision your life there.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker:So, yes, so it was not my place.
Speaker:I wanted it to be my place, but
Speaker:it wasn't my place.
Speaker:But I did enjoy going with you.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:I think that we both had the same,
Speaker:you know, it was functional.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:But it wasn't.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Fantastic.
Speaker:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, so are there a few places in
Speaker:Paris like you'd like to eat or special
Speaker:places, hidden places that you could recommend?
Speaker:Oh, my God.
Speaker:We're about to celebrate your birthday.
Speaker:We're about to celebrate my birthday.
Speaker:Oh, my God.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Getting older and older and older.
Speaker:But.
Speaker:So where are we going tonight?
Speaker:We're going to L'Atelier, I think.
Speaker:Is Joelle Rebichon?
Speaker:Yes, we are.
Speaker:We're going there for my birthday.
Speaker:I mean, I used to go there long
Speaker:time ago.
Speaker:And I really love this place.
Speaker:Now, I don't know how it turns out.
Speaker:So we'll see.
Speaker:But yeah, this is not a restaurant that
Speaker:I'm missing in Paris, you know.
Speaker:I mean, yesterday, I had lunch with a
Speaker:very old friend of mine that I met
Speaker:in London.
Speaker:And she's from Turkey.
Speaker:She married this Frenchman and we went to
Speaker:a Korean restaurant.
Speaker:A really small Korean restaurant, which is so
Speaker:good.
Speaker:I don't remember the name.
Speaker:But, you know, I don't have a specific
Speaker:restaurant.
Speaker:I think Paris is full of good surprises.
Speaker:But what I was what about that lunch
Speaker:that I really love is that she announced
Speaker:me that.
Speaker:Sorry.
Speaker:She announced me that she used to work
Speaker:in finance before in London.
Speaker:She was a big, you know, big job.
Speaker:And then she stopped working.
Speaker:She raised her daughter.
Speaker:And then she announced me that she went
Speaker:back to school.
Speaker:And she's going to the Cordon Bleu.
Speaker:Oh, wow.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:I love that.
Speaker:And so I was so excited that I
Speaker:have a friend who's going to maybe become
Speaker:a chef.
Speaker:And she she's at the school like nine
Speaker:hours a day.
Speaker:Like it's very hard.
Speaker:And so she was showing me, you know,
Speaker:dishes that she created.
Speaker:But it's just just not the dishes, but
Speaker:it's all the aesthetic around the dishes.
Speaker:And so this is Paris.
Speaker:You know, I realized that we don't have
Speaker:a Cordon Bleu school in Montreal, you know.
Speaker:But this is what I love about.
Speaker:I meet all of those interesting people.
Speaker:And you and she's a bit like me.
Speaker:Like she she she decided to recreate herself.
Speaker:And so I'm so excited because next time
Speaker:I'll be in Paris, she's going to cook
Speaker:a meal for me.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So, you know, so this is great.
Speaker:I need an introduction as well.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So one last thing.
Speaker:I highlight you and I went to a
Speaker:spa.
Speaker:Do you remember going to?
Speaker:We went to the spa.
Speaker:No, we went to the what is the
Speaker:it's in the mosque, la mosquée, la mosquée
Speaker:de Paris.
Speaker:C'était dans le 15ème.
Speaker:C'est 15ème, Christina, la mosquée de Paris.
Speaker:Ah, dans le cinquième.
Speaker:Tu vois, Christina, c'est une vraie Parisienne.
Speaker:She knows more than me.
Speaker:She lives here.
Speaker:And so dans le cinquième.
Speaker:Yeah, it was fabulous.
Speaker:It was.
Speaker:Yeah, we had so much fun.
Speaker:It was another magical experience.
Speaker:So can you describe the, you know, how
Speaker:old it is and what it looks like?
Speaker:And we had the hot tea.
Speaker:And can you just describe a little bit?
Speaker:Well, it's a tisane.
Speaker:No, it's a tea à la menthe.
Speaker:But it's a really traditional way to do
Speaker:it.
Speaker:And but it's.
Speaker:It's a women only.
Speaker:It's a hammam.
Speaker:It's a hammam.
Speaker:So, you know, when you go to a
Speaker:hammam, there's like the soap and there's there's
Speaker:different places to go.
Speaker:We were just led through this, you know,
Speaker:we start out and yes, we have.
Speaker:I think we had hot tea to start.
Speaker:We had it was at the it was.
Speaker:Yeah, we started with the tea.
Speaker:And then after that, there's a little garden
Speaker:outside.
Speaker:So we had lunch there.
Speaker:And patisserie is really good.
Speaker:The dessert and no, it's.
Speaker:Yes, we had the scrub.
Speaker:And then you go from steam room to
Speaker:steam room and they get warmer and warmer
Speaker:and warmer.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And you get scrubbed.
Speaker:That was an experience.
Speaker:I was like, what are you doing?
Speaker:And the massage was great too.
Speaker:And then, yes, we went upstairs.
Speaker:So it's beautiful.
Speaker:The architecture is it's very old.
Speaker:And you know how old it is?
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:I mean, it's a very old building.
Speaker:But we go upstairs and into a room
Speaker:and I had no idea what to expect.
Speaker:But the massage was amazing.
Speaker:Amazing.
Speaker:And it was just the most unique experience.
Speaker:And when I think back over my life
Speaker:and just things that were unexpected, you know,
Speaker:sometimes you go to a place or an
Speaker:experience that you haven't thought about.
Speaker:And when you do something that's so simple,
Speaker:but yet unexpected.
Speaker:And so that's one of my favorite memories.
Speaker:Yeah, of that day, because it was very
Speaker:I didn't know what was next.
Speaker:You know, it was something new.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So I can't wait to share that with
Speaker:someone else.
Speaker:You know, I want to take my mom
Speaker:or my daughter or someone to feel that
Speaker:way as well.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:So what's next for you?
Speaker:Personal, professional?
Speaker:Do you have a trip or you have
Speaker:something?
Speaker:I have to go back home, see my
Speaker:family, my kids, I miss them.
Speaker:Want to go back to my routine, my
Speaker:gym, my pottery classes, my this, my that.
Speaker:So, you know, I'm looking forward to just
Speaker:go back to my life, which is, I
Speaker:mean, it's exciting to go to Paris.
Speaker:It's exciting to see all of that.
Speaker:But I also like a simple life.
Speaker:You know, I love doing my laundry.
Speaker:Sometimes I love cleaning my dishes.
Speaker:I love, you know, I just love simple
Speaker:things also because I relax.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You know, sometimes I know I shouldn't say
Speaker:that on a podcast.
Speaker:No, it's okay.
Speaker:Go ahead.
Speaker:There's lots of things we shouldn't say.
Speaker:You know, we you know, you know, in
Speaker:life, like you have to do like sometimes
Speaker:the laundry or you have to clean the
Speaker:house.
Speaker:And a lot of people complain about that.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And I used to complain about that.
Speaker:I used to say, oh my gosh, I
Speaker:have to do that.
Speaker:But you know what?
Speaker:I read something or maybe I read or
Speaker:whatever.
Speaker:But they said that, you know, what is
Speaker:the most relaxing thing you can do?
Speaker:Even more relaxing than be on the beach
Speaker:and reading a book is actually to do
Speaker:the laundry and to do your and to
Speaker:do your ménage.
Speaker:And and because you don't have to think.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You know, and now that I know that,
Speaker:that I just.
Speaker:So you've trained your brain to think.
Speaker:This is like a way, like a therapy.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:I don't know if I'm doing my part
Speaker:of laundry.
Speaker:Oh my gosh, there's laundry.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:It's all in your head.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Well, we won't tell Chip because Chip folds
Speaker:the laundry in our house and I don't
Speaker:mind washing laundry.
Speaker:I'll gather up laundry.
Speaker:Maybe Chip comes home and he's like folding
Speaker:laundry.
Speaker:He doesn't like them either.
Speaker:But yes.
Speaker:So that's my little code of today.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That's amazing.
Speaker:I love that.
Speaker:Well, thank you so much.
Speaker:You're welcome.
Speaker:It was an honor to be here with
Speaker:you.
Speaker:Thank you so much, Jane, to have me
Speaker:around.
Speaker:I'm so glad we're friends.
Speaker:Yeah, I'm so happy too.
Speaker:I don't know if I'm going to see
Speaker:you in the next few months, but we
Speaker:will see each other in August.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:In the south of France.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I can't wait.
Speaker:And we're going, we're going to try to
Speaker:crash Club 55 again.
Speaker:Okay, we'll try.
Speaker:Although I think we're going to try to
Speaker:get reservations ahead of time.
Speaker:Can we try it?
Speaker:We'll try it.
Speaker:Like, why don't we call now?
Speaker:They might kick us out once they see
Speaker:us again.
Speaker:They'll be like, no, not you two, you
Speaker:know.
Speaker:Yeah, so, but yes.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Well, thank you so much, Jane.
Speaker:You're welcome.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So I'm going to go.
Speaker:So I'm going to go because I have
Speaker:a lunch.
Speaker:You come here and then you.
Speaker:We're going to translate.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Why don't
